|
The
Jeff Bowe situation
Mr Farmer's replies to the Rick Ross forum 31/05/08.
Dorje
Your posting 26/5/08: 10:08: Forum page 103:
How can you write:
"Chris Farmer has so far done nothing to discourage this line of thinking."
I have already posted in this forum stating:
"I can assure you that CH was not one of those clients and has absolutely no involvement with the site."
I have clearly done something to discourage your line of thinking so your posting is inaccurate.
The
issue here is not what I, or anyone else, says in regard to this matter
- it is your preconceived idea that there is some sort of conspiracy
going on. There isn't and I have made that clear both here and on Jeff
Bowe's blogs although he has chosen to remove all comments from his
blogs.
I would ask you to please stop maligning my integrity.
Thank you
Chris
thewayishere
Your posting 27/5/08: 12:55: Forum page 103:
This forum can be read by anyone, anywhere in the world without having to login so I can't think of anywhere more public.
There will be a formal disclaimer on the Tibetan Way website once the legal people have decided on the wording.
Chris
Jeff Bowe
Your posting 27/5/08: 11:48: Forum page 103:
You
are well aware that I answered your questions by posting them directly
to your blog. As you have now chosen to remove my comments from your
blog let me reply to certain issues you have raised:
You refer to Shedrup as a:
"supposedly Tibetan sounding name"
You
knew before posting this that I have worked with the Tibet Foundation
and with Dharma centres. Has it never occurred to you that I might be a
Buddhist and that when one becomes a Buddhist one is given a Refuge
name which you are then entitled to use.
Amongst your numerous
postings in the Forum you make an issue of the fact that CH does not
apparently speak or write Tibetan. If you think that Shedrup - in some
transliterations spelt Shedrub but having the same meaning - is only
"supposedly Tibetan" I have to ask you whether you can read and write
Tibetan? Even if you can't with all your knowledge I would have
expected you to be aware that the name - in both spellings - is a
fairly common name in Tibetan Buddhism.
As you clearly don't
know that and don't trust anything I say I suggest you look at
http://www.diamondway-buddhism.org/default.asp?col=01&t=dharmanames.htm
which gives a very long list of Dharma / Refuge names with their
translations - translations that you clearly need.
As for your questions regarding the meta tags why on earth do you ask?
"Does this refer to Chris Famer's website business? Which may be found at: [www.shedrup.ngaro.co.uk]"
Of
course it refers to that. You seem to imply that you have uncovered
some great mystery when all you've done is read the source code of the
page - something that anyone can do as every modern browser allows them
to do so.
To anyone but you it would be quite clear that it
refers to my development website. Why do you find that strange?
Wouldn't you find it stranger if I was hiding my identity instead of
leaving a clear trail that points to me. If I had anything to hide I
can assure you I could have legitmately hidden my details on the
website and with the domain registrars but I've left them completely in
the open.
I have explained my use of the name Shedrup and the
reference to my development website appears in the code of many
websites I've produced not just Tibetan Way. Unlike everyone on the
Forum - with the honourable exception of yourself - I have no problem
with people knowing who I am. If people visit the Shedrup website and
then wish to work with me then they rapidly discover that my name is
Chris Farmer and if they ask about the Shedrup bit I explain it to
them. Sometimes that even leads those people to take an interest in
what is happening in Tibet - something that I would have thought you of
all people would be happy about.
Chris
Jeff
Your posting 28/5/08: 11:29: Forum page 104:
You
have demanded public denials of any connection between Christopher
Hansard and the Tibetan Way website. As soon as a denial appears you
then write:
"there would seem to be an association between Christopher Hansard and Tibetan Way"
and state that there is a connection. I really do wonder about you.
You then go on to to say:
"as
Hansard's claims to being a Physician of Tibetan medicine have been
shown to be completely bogus, any assertion or promotion by Tibetan Way
to be preparing and selling authentic Tibetan Medicine must now be
considered seriously misleading and inaccurate."
Firstly having
read through the entire forum myself, and taken advice from others who
have been examining this forum over the past few days, there is
absolutely no real evidence to support your allegations regarding CH.
Most of the people here are, understandably, concerned about other
issues with regard to CH's behaviour and most of the postings that
relate to his training have come from you. To suggest that your
constant repeated allegations destroy CH's claims and amount to proof
of those allegations is ludicrous. You appear to be using the Lord
Denning approach of relying on your own past statements as precedent.
Secondly
I must ask you if you have actually read the content of the Tibetan Way
site? That content has been subjected to detailed examinations over the
past 4 days. Nowhere does it state that the site is selling Tibetan
medicine. In fact it suggests that people should use alternate
formulations using Western ingredients in order to preserve the Tibetan
ecology. Many of the pages contain detailed notes concerning the
ingredients used and it is quite clear that they are not ingredients
that have been sourced from Tibet.
If you are going to 'investigate' something it would be a very good idea if you read the original before making allegations.
I
would also point out before - someone else raises it - that nothing has
been removed from the Tibetan Way site in the past week - I'm sure that
Dorje can confirm that via the web archives - so nothing has been
rewritten to remove references to Tibetan Medicine. The site simply
never made those claims in the first place.
Chris
Jeff
Your posting 28/5/08: 01:04: Forum page 104:
You have written:
"Please
re-read my comment with more care, and you will note that it opens with
the term 'speculation' clearly emphasised to make clear that there was
no longer any doubt concerning reports of abuse, or indeed Hansard's
troubling activities"
How can you use the word "speculation" and
then go on to say "there was no longer any doubt" Why would you
speculate about an issue when you feel that there is no doubt? You
appear to be suggesting that the allegations contained in this forum
have been proven so you may wish to take heed of Atlantic's warning.
Chris
Dorje
Your posting 29/5/08: 07:07: Forum page 106:
I am starting to get somewhat confused by the dubious logic that operates in this forum.
With regard to the disclaimer that appeared on one of CH's websites you wrote:
"That
was quite an extraordinary turnaround in the course of a day,
especially considering it was a bank holiday and your clients were not
available – at least not to you. I’d love to know the back-story, if
you ever find yourself privy to it."
I don't see the connection
between that disclaimer appearing and my clients. Neither I nor my
clients have any control whatsoever over something that appears on a
site operated by any third party. The fact that it was a bank holiday
simply confirms that this forum is being monitored by CH and / or his
associates and that they chose to react.
You appear to find
simple coincidences a source of fascination but in this instance I
wouldn't even regard the disclaimer appearing as a coincidence. It is a
clear reaction to what has been happening in this forum. Do you really
think that CH is not watching this forum?
thewayishere
Your postings 29/5/08: 11:01: and 01:25: Forum page 106:
When I reached this page and these postings this morning I could have picked you up and hugged you.
Your
comments were a glimmer of light in a dark place and I applaud you.
There again maybe I shouldn't do that as certain people will then
doubtless infer that there is some connection between us beyond merely
contributing to this forum.
As you so rightly say the forum was
clearly set up to address certain issues and was doing so in a mature
and sympathetic fashion before it was effectively hijacked by certain
posters.
I have already posted here that I was willing to meet
Jeff Bowe face to face but he has ignored that suggestion. I am equally
willing to meet with you or Dorje to demonstrate that I am not CH -
judging from the images on Jeff Bowe's numerous blogs I don't even
vaguely resemble him.
With regard to another site to discuss
certain matters Jeff Bowe has already set up numerous blogs in which -
theoretically - such discussions could take place. Unfortunately
despite his assertion on page 102 of this forum:
"I value free speech and dissent and welcome an open debate on the issues being questionned."
Jeff Bowe then removed all my comments from his blogs and reset the blogs so that only members of his "team" can post comments.
The
posting containing that quote was also posted to one of his blogs but I
have just discovered that he has also reinvented his blogs by removing
some of his own posts. It appears that he is attempting to
rewritehistory in a manner similar to the Soviet state's behaviour in
airbrushing Trotsky from photographs. happily he has not been able to
remove his original posting from this forum.
I appreciate that this forum is not about Jeff Bowe but I have to ask him to clarify his understanding of free speech.
Returning to your postings - well done. I hope that others here will respect your comments.
Chris
Jeff
Your posting 31/5/08: 03:32: Forum page 108:
All
the points you have listed here are repetitions of points you've raised
before - just because you are repeating them over and over and over
again does not make them true. There is no published evidence anywhere
to suggest that you have any knowledge of Tibetan culture and your list
with one exception contains no corroborating evidence to support your
claims.
The one exception is the reference to Dr Barry Clark who
is extremely well qualified. However I suspect that he has never
suggested that he is knowledgeable about every single oral tradition
that has ever existed in Tibet. We are talking about a country that is
larger than Western Europe. It appears that formal Tibetan has only
existed for some 1,400 years whereas Bon, according to some sources, is
in excess of 15,000 years old and acredited historians and academics
would appear to have very little understanding of Bon during a very
large part that time.
As I have said before if you have
information about Bon that has not been discovered by any other
researchers then you are really under a moral obligation to publish
your findings.
As for your final paragraph and references to the
police - if all the allegations found in this forum have any real
supporting evidence then why haven't the police arrested CH? Could it
be that the evidence - if any - does not support the allegations?
Chris
=========================================
Jeff
Your posting 31/5/08: 04:10: Forum page 108:
Once again you succeed in confusing me.
Your
posting clearly indicates that Dr Asshauer - at least at some point -
believed that CH's qualifications were genuine which seems to puncture
some of your allegations. Unless of course you are suggesting that Dr
Asshauer cannot be relied upon; in which case what is the point of
quoting him at all?
Chris
Dear Moderator
Your posting 31/5/08: 04:27: Forum page 108:
Thanks for your comments.
I
do not see how my posts were either redundant or off topic. One of the
missing posts was congratulating thewayishere for issues raised in 2
postings only two days ago. Presumably as those posts are in the forum
they were on topic so my comments are also and given the time span I do
not see how they can be redundant.
You have also previously
stated that this forum is about Christopher Hansard and not Jeff Bowe.
In which case, presumably, it is not about me and that is why I asked
for certain postings to be removed. Many independent readers of this
forum over the past few days have concluded that there is a certain
degree of bias operating in this forum and I have to agree with them.
I absolutely concur with your statement that:
"The best antidote to free speech is more free speech."
Unfortunately
Jeff Bowe has prevented anyone - apart from his team members - posting
on his blogs which is why I - and others - are forced to ask those
questions here. However when that happens the posts do not appear
whereas Jeff Bowe constantly demands - in this forum - that people
other than Christopher Hansard provide him with ever increasing amounts
of information about themselves.
I have stated that I am not
Christopher Hansard; that I have no connection with him; that the
Tibetan Way website has no connection with him; that there will be a
disclaimer on that website as soon as the legal advisors finalise it;
Christopher Hansard has confimed via a formal disclaimer on his website
that he has no connection with Tibetan Way and yet various people
continue - and are allowed - to post scurrilous comments in this forum
implying that there is some connection.
As regards the
complaints about Christopher Hansard; Jeff Bowe has claimed that this
information has been passed to the police who - after 18 months - have
still taken no action. I find it difficult to believe - given the
seriousness of some of the complaints - that there has been no action
unless of course there is no evidence. People make jokes about England
turning into a police state but the facts would suggest that the police
here still operate on the basis of innocent until proven guilty with
the result that they have been unable to take any action. That in turns
must cast doubt on at least some of the allegations that have been made
here.
I have absolutely no interest in defending Christopher
Hansard other than incidentally in the course of defending myself. I
wouldn't be wasting my time reading this forum or writing this now were
it not for the fact that my name has been dragged through the mud by
various posters who refuse to accept the truth and continue to vilify
me.
Thank you
Chris Farmer |
|
|
|
